Crushing It!

Crushing It!
Crossed Wires
Crushing It!

May 27 2024 | 01:41:01

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Episode • May 27, 2024 • 01:41:01

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James Bilsbrough Jae Bloom

Show Notes

Apple held their 'Let Loose' event on May 7th, 2024 and not long after the 'dream team' of Crossed Wires Apple coverage gathered to discuss the new iPads, the rather confusing line up of Apple Pencils.

We also take a detour to look into why WiFI 7 not being included in the new iPads is not as big of a factor as some may think.

Finally, we discuss the powerful new features in Apple's pro apps for iPad, Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro and how these new features make iPad a powerful creative tool more than ever before.

Are you planning to buy a new iPad, are you excited by the new features of Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro on iPad? We'd love to hear from you, so please send us a note to [email protected], or why not come join the discussion on our Discord server.

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Chapter Times

  1. 00:00:04: Introductions
  2. 00:04:30: The Let Loose Event
  3. 00:08:17: Crushed
  4. 00:16:22: iPad Air (M2)
  5. 00:25:33: iPad Pro (M4)
  6. 00:42:22: Apple Pencil Shuffle
  7. 00:55:16: Why No WiFi 7?
  8. 01:02:31: Choose An iPad
  9. 01:11:36: iOS 18 Accessibility
  10. 01:13:55: Pro Apps
  11. 01:25:49: Wrapping Up

Credits

Intro and outro theme: Ace of Clubs by RoccoW

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Episode Transcript

[00:00:05] Speaker A: Hello everyone, and welcome back to Crosswise V technology variety show that covers the cool things in tech, doesn't necessarily cover the latest news, but we try and look at technology from a posital positive. Posital. What's posital positive and ethical standpoint. Now, this episode is going to be interesting from a couple of points of view. First of all, we have a great panel. So let me introduce you as well because of course we have the wonderful Jay, my co host and my beautiful fiance. [00:00:37] Speaker B: Hello. How are you doing, dear? [00:00:40] Speaker A: I am doing good, thank you. Managing all this new technology. And of course, because it's an Apple event, we have reassembled the Finders team in Apple podcasting. Alex is back with us from the interface. Hello, Alex. [00:00:54] Speaker C: Alright, good. Thanks for having me back. It's good to be back recording another podcast with you guys. [00:00:59] Speaker A: Absolutely. It's great to have you now, you know, you've got free podcasts, you've got ui chat, charging status. Create a spotlight. [00:01:08] Speaker C: That's right. Yep. So different, all things, lots of different topics for different people. [00:01:12] Speaker A: Really. So, yeah, and do good, check out, and also go and check out Alex's YouTube channels as well because although I'm not allowed to officially promote any ev videos or anything, j can tell you that it's a great video. [00:01:24] Speaker B: Oh, it really is. And I absolutely love it. Like, I learned a lot about, about a certain type of charging that James cannot talk about for a variety of reasons. And it helps me keep, keep my, my head zooming down the road. [00:01:40] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. Anyway, so that's one reason. Great panel. Second reason it's going to be a great episode is because we're going to be talking about apples. What was it? Let loose? [00:01:51] Speaker B: Yeah, I was trying to think of a title like let loose. Kick off your m one blues or something. [00:01:59] Speaker A: M one blues? That's terrible. I was thinking about just simple crushing it. [00:02:06] Speaker B: No, I could say Apple got crushed by the community. [00:02:11] Speaker A: Okay, we will talk about that. But yeah, we're going to be talking about Apple's most recent event. Now, we do miss a couple of weeks after events have a. The reviews are out. People, including people on this panel, have had some hands on time with the devices and the hysteria has died down a little bit. And we've got a bit more factual information on the devices. [00:02:30] Speaker B: So are you saying that Alex got handsy with the iPads? [00:02:36] Speaker A: I don't want to know what Alex did with the iPads, but yes. Oh, geez, Jay. [00:02:43] Speaker B: No, I'm not. [00:02:44] Speaker A: If Alex is. If Alex's partner is listening to this. You can. You can whack Jay around my head the next time you see her. It's fine. [00:02:51] Speaker B: Right? [00:02:52] Speaker A: The third and by no means final reason, but the third reason this is interesting episode is it's kind of a bittersweet moment, actually. This is our first episode that isn't recorded on squadcast. This is our first episode recording on Riverside. Now look, we've been long time squadcast supporters. We aren't going to go into much in a very public forum about why we've moved, but we are trying Riverside, which has a huge benefit. It means we are live streaming to not only twitch, we're also streaming to a what is probably going to be a supporters audience livestream, where you'll be able to potentially come and join us on not every episode, but on some episodes we'll potentially do call ins. Now, our twitch chat already said, but I want to be able to use all the fancy channel point effects and whack you over the head while we're streaming. That is one advantage of Riverside. None of that works because we're not going through Obs anyway. [00:03:54] Speaker B: Can I just say, by the way, has somebody who's, who's like designed overlays for podcast recordings. I very much like their overlay, like, because I like how it focuses on the guests, focuses on the chat, and it really gets you into just the meat and the potatoes. [00:04:14] Speaker A: Okay, awesome. I'll keep a tab. You just watch. So Jax. Jax is one of our twitch community who's now keeping the tab of how many times she has to retroactively hit one. Now she can only hit me and Jay. Okay. We don't have that set up for podcast guests anyway. It's fine. So let's get into this a little bit, because this was an event. Now I've lost track of when this one is. May 7. Was it May 7? [00:04:39] Speaker B: I believe it's May 7. Or around there because that's when I found some reviews on it. [00:04:43] Speaker A: It was May 7. I've completely lost track of. Yes, it was May 7. It was May 7. Because I think of the bank holiday in the UK on the 6th, I think. [00:04:53] Speaker C: Yes, that was right. [00:04:54] Speaker A: Yeah, that was it. Because we now it was another virtual event. I know we talked about this in the last, and we talked about this, everyone, but I think we can firmly say now that I'm gonna guess even for WWDC, I don't think we're going back to audience in person audience events. [00:05:10] Speaker B: With Apple, I was listening to a podcast after one of the last events on this, and they made a good point. These events, as much as the community around it, has been there to like the camaraderie or the meet people who are in the ecosystem. These events are primarily for the interstate leaders, for news snippets, and sometimes for consumers who are interested. But it is not as much focus on the community. What I was reading is like, John Grouper went to a. To a location in New York City where they had demo stuff set up. And I think that's how they're doing that. One of the benefits is I could see them possibly creating more community focused areas around the world and. Or having like little like pop up shops, even not same day could be like, hey, we're going to bring some people together because I know they've been doing like things like the Vision Pro summit where people could come out to the labs or people could come out to different summits. Maybe they're focusing it where these events are announcing and the community aspect is going to be outside of in a periphery event. [00:06:20] Speaker A: I think so. I mean, Alex, you're maybe more of a member of a press than we are. Is that. Do you think that's the sort of thing that apple are going to start doing? Have you heard anything that, I mean, did they have anything in London, for example? [00:06:31] Speaker C: They had one at Battersea power stations, that apple have got some sort of headquarters there and quite a Big Apple store. And I noticed there was a guy from Macrumers come with his neighbor, he's from London, and he was at that thing. They had their pop up shop essentially with the iPads sometime after the event. I think pretty much after it. So it makes sense, doesn't it? It just means that people haven't got to travel halfway across the world to go and they could go and do it, which is quite good for an environment point of view, really, but means people can go locally and hang out with people locally. [00:07:01] Speaker B: So can I bring up an interesting perspective on this? By the way, as somebody who's been to Blizzcon and has actually covered Blizzcon, I know Blizzcon is a blizzard focused event, but I know something interesting. I went to BlizzCon 2019, very much focused in Anaheim, California. Then during COVID they went to a virtual blizzcon. And it was actually pretty amazing. You got to see performers and people who submitted things all around the world, people who either from disability travel or a variety of reasons could not make it to. And it was such a amazing event. They've gone back to a local event. But I really loved that Covid blizzcon, because again, I got to co stream. I really have to be involved with it. And I kind of like virtual events for a lot of things and then having small communal meetups or groups in. [00:07:53] Speaker A: A local area, and that's it. I mean, obviously, Apple's. These meetups for Apple events are for the press. They aren't for fans like us. We couldn't just walk into that Battersea event. I didn't know if it was an Apple store at Battersea, though. [00:08:09] Speaker C: Yeah, I think it's the recent, recent thing, but they got headquarters upstairs as well. [00:08:14] Speaker A: Okay. Some sort of offices. So, yeah, let's talk about. I think the first thing we need to talk about is this advert, the ad for the new iPads. Well, particularly for the iPad pros, right? How much controversy can one iPad. One advert for one iPad? Cause so when I watched it live. [00:08:37] Speaker C: I didn't even think. I just thought, oh, that's quite cool what they're doing. They're sort of saying that all of this stuff is inside this iPad. It didn't even cross my mind that people go bananas over it. I just. I don't know. It seems a little bit blown out of the water, possibly, but interested to see what you guys think? [00:08:52] Speaker B: Well, I have seen people mention that other companies have done a similar ad to this and that this is not the first time they've done it. So the concept's not a new one. It's not original to Apple. I mean, and if you go back to parts of Silicon Valley, good artist copy, great artists steal. You know, Apple's not always known to be the innovators and new ones with the ideas. But I will say it was a little bit in poor taste because it was destroying some amazing devices. And instead of, like, trying to say, hey, we can do all this stuff, because I still prefer analog sound, even recorded, I still prefer analog sound in a lot of ways. Like, I'm. I still believe you can do a lot of good with digital, but you still can't replicate some of the sound. And I think part of it was the whole idea of, like, you're destroying all this, a lot of what you're listening and reading. And on the iPad was created with all these things. We were recording it live. Well, not after the event, but we were doing a coffee chat. And I remember one of our mods definitely was cringing a lot because he's a huge into music and it was crushing it. I think, though, what has happened because there are some reports, I think it was either the Verge who said, apple is no longer the darling, they're no longer the, we're going against, up against the man. Like in the 1984 ads, even. They are now the man. They're now the corporate behemoth. And I think the community has basically, Apple could do no wrong before, but. [00:10:32] Speaker A: They, now I have to. I don't think that's been the case for a long time for Apple. [00:10:38] Speaker B: No, but it shows that, like, they, they almost, somebody in the media department thought, didn't think about all the repercussions of it. And I know it sounds overblown, but it was, again, destroying some things that, like, symbolic, okay. [00:10:54] Speaker A: Symbolically destroying musical instruments and books and things like that. I, the met, I'm, I think I'm more aligned with, with Alex's view that it was an art. I, I get the sensitivity around it. And yes, it might have been, well, there's an old, there's an old on tremble. It was, it's an old power Mac ad. And it was shown, it was used as like a director video shockwave director demo in the iMac introduction when we were showing off the, not the imax, not the overpowered, but blue and white G freeze, but the G three. Before that, they were showing off a power compared with Pentium twos. And we had all this stuff flying into this old Mac. That was, that made a lot of sense. Like, oh, yeah, all this stuff. If they'd done it, maybe like all the stuff flying into the iPad rather than being crushed. But I guess the idea was to emphasize how thin. So I don't think the concept was bad, but I think maybe they didn't gauge the reaction. They have apologized. But I also don't think that the media reaction was, I mean, you know, it, you know that it's been taken notice of when Samsung do an ad trying to parody it, just Samsung, you haven't even got proper tablets. But I say proper tablets. They've got tablets. But the problem is, I'm sorry, Google, Android is still, to my knowledge, is still not anywhere near at the level of ipados in terms of tablet functionality. [00:12:37] Speaker C: No, I don't think it is. [00:12:39] Speaker B: And I think that was the biggest thing is if they had not shown actually destroying things, because I'm somebody who, I replaced a lot of stuff with my phone and my tablet and technology, but I can appreciate those devices. And I think if they had not shown it has destroying something, especially when we're moving into, a lot of people are wanting to do more diy stuff, a lot more physical items. They're showing a destruction. Maybe it could have been a lot better. And again, and also it could be, maybe they wanted to get off of the Trump trial news so they had to find something. [00:13:17] Speaker A: Well, there we go. Let's not get too political, James. [00:13:21] Speaker B: Exactly. Inject me the point absorbed and replaced instead of destruction since a better message. I agree. [00:13:28] Speaker A: I. Absolutely. Yeah. And I think they could have easily done it. You know, maybe something like, you know, Odo from Star Trek Deep space nine sort of morphing into. But no, because no, no, we're not going to replace Rene Arbor, John Wild. We're not going to do an AI version of him anyway. [00:13:45] Speaker B: So can I add one final point that I saw? [00:13:48] Speaker A: Yes. [00:13:48] Speaker B: When Apple is trying to make a claim that they're being better for the environment, destroying is not a good thing to then be aligning yourself with. You go when you're already called yourself out. I think the last WWDC about some of your environmental practices that you're trying to do better on. [00:14:09] Speaker A: Fair point. Alex, before we move into what Apple actually did announce rather than what they got yelled at for any final thoughts on we had from you. [00:14:16] Speaker C: The only thing I could think of is that is an ad at the end of the day, like a lot of, if you look at the movie production world, the amount of vehicles that get destroyed trying to produce car stunts, that's a horrific waste of everything. It's just that we don't really see that. Whereas this is like, if you even like scrape the surface on how much stuff is wasted and how much stuff is destroyed when you're trying to produce ads at the end of the day. Yeah, I, I don't know. They're trying to make a message and then I don't know. It's, it's a little bit of a blown, but it's, it is what is, I suppose. [00:14:50] Speaker A: And, and I think it's really interesting. I mean, as we're recording this, you know, it's really interesting with what we're about to talk about with all the power of these chips and with Microsoft now, we haven't, I haven't really dug into this. The new copilot plus PCs, which are arm based PCs and they are safe. They are claiming that they are going to outperform a map book air and. [00:15:18] Speaker B: Go on adding to that, I can go behind a little behind the scenes. You and I are migrating our currently x 86 architecture servers that we run the website and our next cloud instance on to arm based um, servers and that really. And we're going to get more performance and better energy efficiency. [00:15:39] Speaker A: Yes, but that, I mean that it makes sense. It's more. It makes lots of sense. But I don't think. I think the big difference is going to be first of all, some really, really worrying privacy stuff going on with his copilot stuff. This. What's it, what's it called, Alex? We're think that they're doing where it's going to be called every recall where it's going to be called every single thing you do on your PC for you to then go back. [00:16:02] Speaker B: Oh, I have used app like that early on and I did not like those because, but the reason I mentioned. [00:16:10] Speaker A: That is because we're gonna. Let's talk. I don't let which order debate. Did they do the iPad airs first or did we do the pros first? [00:16:18] Speaker C: They did the iPad air first, I believe. [00:16:22] Speaker A: Let's start with the iPad Airspan because this is, to be fair, this is a category VIP but I probably most align with because my current iPad is an iPad air. It's a fourth gen iPad air. So no MC is chip for me. Okay. I mean, to me this seemed like a really good bump in. So it's gone what to be m two? The FaceTime cameras move to the right. So what I would say is the right spot. [00:16:52] Speaker C: The correct spot. [00:16:52] Speaker A: Yeah, the correct spot really for a tablet. I think back when the. Cause it was the iPad two that came with the camera. I think at that point everyone was holding their iPads tab. Portrait. [00:17:06] Speaker B: Yes. [00:17:07] Speaker A: Now people are using them as you know in landscape mode and I think my camera placement makes lots. So obviously got center stage. The biggest change here is we've got the eleven inch so that bumps it just a tiny little bit from the 10.9 it was before. Tiny bit. It's probably not going to be noticeable but I think the big one here is. This is the first time we've gotten a bigger iPad in a not in the non pro category. [00:17:33] Speaker C: So this is what I've been waiting for for a very long time. So my iPad Air, my iPad Pro actually is a 2017 and I've always thought my next one I wanted to be a big iPad. I can't justify spending 1500 quid on a an iPad Pro just to use YouTube on it and stuff. So I'll be waiting for a big iPad that's cheaper and this seems really good so I'm glad they've done it. [00:17:55] Speaker A: And storage, I think we bought, am I right? We bumped storage a little bit on these as well. [00:18:00] Speaker C: That's right. The base is now 128. Yeah, that's right. [00:18:04] Speaker A: Yeah. Now I think 128 gig. Especially given that these have got USB C and a lot of apps are supportive, supporting editing, editing of external drives. I think actually pretty good. [00:18:20] Speaker C: Yeah, it's good. [00:18:21] Speaker B: I was reading on a couple of reviews on, on this. Some of the biggest complaints on this are that the. It's not oled and that it has raised the. Am I right or did I misread this? That it has raised the price of bit with iPad airs. [00:18:42] Speaker C: I can't remember how much they used to be. They're 599 UK now. [00:18:46] Speaker A: No, but that is the same. It's the same price. Okay. [00:18:48] Speaker B: It's. It's the old. I get it now. It is the old iPad that has lowered its price. That. [00:18:54] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, we'll come to that because that is a really interesting thing. Is that out of that 10th gen iPad is, as you said, no Oled. But again, the OLED tech, it has always. The fancy display tech has always been in the Pro first. [00:19:11] Speaker C: Yep. [00:19:11] Speaker A: It will come down to the iPad air. But for, I would say now, Alex, look, me, you know, me and you both have iPad air. No, you've got an iPad pro. So you've got iPad pro, the eleven inch. Jay's got a 12.9 inch iPad pro. Pre m one as well. [00:19:26] Speaker B: Yeah, pre m one. [00:19:27] Speaker C: I've got 10.5 inch iPad Pro, actually. [00:19:29] Speaker A: Oh, okay. So, okay, so you're. Oh, wow. So you're not even on one of the new design ones. You're on the. [00:19:37] Speaker C: The older one. Yep. [00:19:39] Speaker A: Right. Wow. Okay. [00:19:41] Speaker B: I honestly am looking at these and I'm gonna get my next iPad when I need an iPad because these things last so long nowadays. I'm going to go with an iPad air and probably the eleven inch. I've got a reason, though. Trying to fit an iPad 13 inch iPad into my bag is hard. [00:20:00] Speaker A: Can I put a little pause there? Can I suggest we talk about what iPads were going to potentially in our future by after we've gone through the whole lineup? [00:20:08] Speaker B: Good shout then. Yep. Let's, uh, let's, let's go back to where. [00:20:12] Speaker A: So, iPad air six. Now, a lot of the reviews, so people say it's not as thin and light, which makes sense. Now they're saying it's more like. This is annoying. The saying people complain it's more expensive than a slash past iPad, Ted. Yes. Because it's a better device. [00:20:29] Speaker B: Yes. [00:20:30] Speaker A: In every single way for a start off. It's got better USB C support, I think. And I might be wrong on this, in fact, no, I'm not wrong. The iPad. The 10th gen iPad is USB C, but it's only USB 2.0 like the 15. The iPhone 15 is only USB 2.0 whereas the 15 Pro is USB free. [00:20:56] Speaker C: Yeah, USB C port is up for 2.0, up to 480 megabits per second or megabytes per second. [00:21:02] Speaker A: Megabits. [00:21:03] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:21:04] Speaker A: Now look for someone who's using a first of all, this means that every single iPad that Apple sell is now USB C. Which size up is good because that gets. [00:21:17] Speaker B: It puts in line with the iPhones now and the Android and I mean it really means that things are now much better. You don't have to get new cables for everything. [00:21:28] Speaker A: Well I'll tell you one thing I was really happy about and people might see this in my social clips. I realized that a thing I bought to use headphones on my iPad Air will now work as a TRRs adapter for my iPhone. Which means if you have a fancy audio interface like we do, plug that bit into your iPhone or iPad, plug that into the vocaster and we can put phone calls and stuff onto our livestream and I can record from the iPhone. [00:21:55] Speaker B: Nice. So im always was saying that if you're going to go drawing do weigh some of the advanced features of the iPad Pro if you need those. And honestly that is a good point. [00:22:11] Speaker A: We haven't even talked about the iPad pro yet. So. [00:22:13] Speaker B: I know, I'm just saying they were saying that's one of the reasons why you might want to consider. [00:22:19] Speaker A: I think you're right. I mean certainly you know, but for me the iPad air, I think if you're not on a budget and don't. And as Alex says, you don't want to spend my money on a 1500 pound iPad pro because you probably don't need that feature set. Now Alex, you I assume are probably going to be content consumption. I know you're like me and you edit, I think edit your podcast audio on your iPad. [00:22:45] Speaker C: I. Not anymore. No. [00:22:47] Speaker A: No. What? Oh no. Oh Alex now I'm joking. What? What? I mean maybe that's a better question then what do you use your current. What is what actually? Now let's come back to that when we talk about what products we. Yeah, let's. But there's one very important question I think we need to start with. So because one of the questions we'll be asking on each of these devices is what version of Wi Fi device supports now, Alex, am I right? This is on the air. It's six Wi Fi six. [00:23:15] Speaker C: The iPad air is wi fi six. [00:23:17] Speaker A: E. Oh, it's six e. That's right. [00:23:19] Speaker C: H 211 ax. But I'm not 100% sure if it supports 6. [00:23:24] Speaker A: Interesting. [00:23:25] Speaker B: I'm not buying if it wants for Wi Fi seven. [00:23:29] Speaker A: Well, we're gonna come to that because it's a rolling. This is a rolling question. But what. Why would it be six e if it didn't support 6 GHz? [00:23:38] Speaker C: They haven't specified. Just says simultaneous dual band. I'm not 100% sure. It doesn't actually specify. So it would be up to someone to test that when it's out. [00:23:47] Speaker A: But, yeah, very interesting. Might make sense anyway. So look, I think the iPad Air is a great choice of device. Alex, any thoughts on, from what they basically went through on this? Because it's basically a bit of a design bump and a nice jump to the m two. Right. [00:24:05] Speaker C: It's like a facelift. Yeah, pretty much, yeah. I had some hands on time with it the other day, and it's. It's. It's fine. Like, it's. [00:24:13] Speaker A: It's. [00:24:14] Speaker C: It's a really nice device. And I haven't used the old iPad air, but as a replacement for my iPad, it'd be. Be pretty good. I think they've done quite a good job with it. [00:24:23] Speaker A: Yeah. Did you get a chance to see the new keyboard? Because they've released a new keyboard accessory for this, haven't they? [00:24:29] Speaker C: They have, yeah. The only thing I noticed is the trackpad. Have they released a new track? Have they released new keyboard for the iPad air? Is it iPad pro? The new keyboard to the iPad pro? I think the same keyboard is for this one. [00:24:43] Speaker A: Right. [00:24:44] Speaker C: And because of how thin the iPad pro is, which we'll get to the keyboard for, that only works with that, right? [00:24:49] Speaker A: Yeah. Which is. And it's still an expensive thing. But again, iPad air. Good proposition 599, starting point for 128 gig of storage. Again, let's talk. Let's come back to use cases in a bit. Let's talk, though, about. I think we have to move on to the iPad pro. [00:25:06] Speaker B: Oh, I can confirm. Yeah. Magic keyboard for iPad Pro. The magic keyboard for. For the iPad. And then there's the folio. That's for the 10th gen iPad. [00:25:18] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:25:18] Speaker A: Gotcha. So there's a whole line of accessories. And by getting something we're gonna talk about. Because a pencil lineup is gonna be fun to discuss. Yeah. [00:25:28] Speaker B: Let's pencil it in for later on. [00:25:31] Speaker A: Gosh. Oh, my gosh. Let's talk about the new iPad pro. Now, they aren't calling this a generation, they're calling this the iPad put Pro with M four. Now, some of you might be thinking, hold on a second, m four, but we just got m three and we don't have any m four Macs. I might, I might be wrong here. Now, Jade. Correct. Jade challenged me on this assertion, but I want to put a caveat on this assertion. This is the first time Apple have debuted new, a new M series chip on a non Mac product. [00:26:12] Speaker C: Yep. [00:26:13] Speaker A: That's big. [00:26:14] Speaker C: I did hear somewhere, I can't remember where, that apparently the m three design hit a technical roadblock. [00:26:21] Speaker A: Oh. [00:26:22] Speaker C: Therefore they had to move to the m four. I can't remember where, where I read that or heard that. Might be on the she's on the verge cast, I think. But they said there's some sort of information out there that the, sort of the chip design of the m three was had. It had an end date, basically. [00:26:37] Speaker A: Ah, interesting. So it might be perfectly fit for purposeful map bokeh. Well, we haven't got Mac minis with m three yet, have we? I think. I don't think we do have him there still. Can someone just double check right now? [00:26:54] Speaker C: That's just the m two. That one. [00:26:55] Speaker A: Yeah, because I think the only devices. But I think it's the MacBook Pros, the MacBook Air and the iMac, which are m three based, if I remember correctly. [00:27:04] Speaker B: No, sorry, I didn't miss book. [00:27:06] Speaker A: Oh, I'm a studio is m two. [00:27:08] Speaker B: Yeah, the, the mini is. The mini is m two and m two Pro. [00:27:14] Speaker A: Because I've got an m two pro mat mini that's doing everything for this right now. And honestly, I love it. I've got an m three MacBook Air and that thing is just. Battery life is incredible. But that makes a lot of sense if they could not, because obviously it's going to have to be effectively maybe a more optimized chip for an iPad. So maybe they couldn't get the m three design into something small. I don't know. [00:27:38] Speaker C: Yeah, but this would have all been planned years in advance anyway. [00:27:42] Speaker A: But, yeah, so it's very interesting now. It's still got all the same features. It's got obviously, thunderbolt four, usb four. I, you know, that makes it for a portable video editing station because. Yeah, being able to connect to fast storage and now. Oh, Alex. About sort of speed because that's 40 gigabits, isn't it? Yeah, 40 gigabits on Thunderbolt that's what it's saying. Yeah. [00:28:11] Speaker C: 40 gig up to usb four. [00:28:13] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:28:14] Speaker C: Thunderbolt three up to 40 gig. Yeah. [00:28:16] Speaker A: So in theory, and I know you can buy these, you could connect that to a ten gig network adapter. [00:28:24] Speaker C: Well, you could even. Yeah. Even an SFP. Yeah. [00:28:29] Speaker A: Oh, what, to go SFP plus. In fact, actually, that's ten gigs. [00:28:32] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:28:33] Speaker A: That is ten gig. You could probably go to. Is it QSFP for 25? [00:28:36] Speaker C: I think so, yeah. I should know this. [00:28:40] Speaker A: I was going to say, I was thinking I was asking the right person. Alex's. I was like, don't ask me. I don't really know this stuff. I use Netgear routers at home. That's going to be the shot revelation. Is it? Alex is using net key Orbeez. Oh, that's got to be. [00:28:59] Speaker B: From 2005, probably. [00:29:01] Speaker A: Yeah. No, no, Alex is on the links. It's wrt 54 g. As long as. [00:29:07] Speaker B: You do wdd wrt on it, I'm okay. [00:29:10] Speaker A: There you go. Nice little reference there. But the point is that connectivity, you know, plug that into a good Thunderbolt three or Thunderbolt four dock, you can do external displays, you can do your drives, you can. Heck, you can plug that into audio capture and video capture devices. Now with the changes that came in with, I think with iOS 16 or 17, you can actually do video capture now. [00:29:35] Speaker C: All right. That's quite cool. [00:29:37] Speaker A: Yeah. So you can actually. Yeah, you can. There's been people. I think there's been people twitch streaming. Oh, from me. It's kind of cool, actually. Well, this is an app, I believe this is the case. There's an app, but we'll let you effectively, you plug in a captcha device like an elgato cam link or something similar, and you can then use your iPad as an external monitor to play your games on. [00:30:06] Speaker B: I've seen that. And, and, and then people have been taking that into the Vision pro. [00:30:13] Speaker A: What? [00:30:14] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:30:15] Speaker A: Oh, what? Because you can capture the sc. Wait, no, you can capture the screen. [00:30:20] Speaker B: Or use an app on a local, like. But there's, there's people having, like, developing apps and I think. And I think it might be even be one out. I. Again, we don't have Vision pros, but I. But someone was playing the Nintendo Switch on Vision Pro in front of their tv that could have been playing the switch. They just like. [00:30:38] Speaker A: That is such an interesting concept. But I think. [00:30:44] Speaker B: And Jax wants to say, don't ask me. My brain yells Thunderdome every time you say Thunderbolt. It's very distracting. [00:30:51] Speaker A: Oh, gosh. Yeah. Well, Thunderbolt is. Is such an interesting history because it was an Apple and Intel co development and then it really, for a long time, felt like it was just on Apple devices. And remember the original Thunderbolt? Thunderbolts one and two were not us. Well, USB C wasn't really a thing at this point. They were using the mini DisplayPort connector for thunderbolts one and two, which were ten gigabit and 20 gigabit respectively, which still is kind of crazy. But anyway, this iPad now, Alex, I take it you've seen the iPad pro in person? [00:31:31] Speaker C: Yes. Yeah. [00:31:32] Speaker A: Okay. How thin is it? I mean, is it what they're claiming? [00:31:35] Speaker C: It's ridiculous. Like, I picked up the air first and the pro, and it's like, it doesn't weigh anything. I mean, obviously it just. It's so. They've done such a cool thing with it. Like it's. It honestly feels so much of a leap forward than anything they've done recently in terms of its lightness. Now, I don't know how that's going to be in terms of rigidity and so if its robustness. But it looks cool, so. [00:32:00] Speaker B: Oh, no. Are we. As long as we don't get another. What is with Ben Gate? [00:32:05] Speaker A: Well, that's an interesting point because, um, I fix it. I have done a teardown. Oh, really? And, and actually, I think one of the apple execs even addresses I'll find. I'll put this in my shuttles. But what they've done is they put like some framing inside it, almost like a rigid, like a spine to stop that from happening. [00:32:23] Speaker C: Nice. That's good. [00:32:24] Speaker A: So. And apparently that that's kind of a design. It's impossibly thin. Now, that means, of course, that you're gonna. Obviously, as you mentioned, you need. You can't use the existing keyboard accessories. So there's a new one, which does look really cool. [00:32:39] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:32:40] Speaker A: I'm amazed that we've got it that thin. I mean, obviously, now this. What, Jay, you put something in my show notes here. It's just clear curious about single USB C port. Potential lot behind the feature of those two separate points. [00:32:55] Speaker B: Two separate points. But they said, like, like, that was some of the gripes that wired had. Was that a single USB c port? What is the dong? What is the. The addition capability of a single USB C port on an iPad? Like, how many devices could you thread or dongle into it? [00:33:16] Speaker A: Well, but it's fundable, it's fundamental. But I don't think, I mean, like, for that use case, I don't think you're looking at potentially, you know, a limit that someone's going to need to worry about. You look at like things like the caldigit TS four. Is it the TS four, doc, let me just pull this up quickly. [00:33:37] Speaker B: And. Yeah, Jack said, I mean, you wouldn't keep your iPad in a back pocket anyway, would you? So the risk of sitting on it would theoretically smaller. [00:33:44] Speaker A: Yeah, right, exactly. I mean, but these things are, you know, you want something thinner, light, you know, if you want a more sturdy device, go for a laptop. I guess so. [00:33:54] Speaker B: And Jax, that's also another, another reason why I'm glad it's thinner, because fit Jack mentioned about, I'm very accustomed to the pockets of lady trousers and you can't fit anything into those anyway. And. Yeah, like, like I. My iPad is hard to fit into anything. [00:34:10] Speaker A: Your iPad's hard to fit into. Flipping me aircraft. You have to add additional weight for your. [00:34:14] Speaker B: Just. [00:34:15] Speaker A: Right. So here we go. So the TS four. The TS four. Thunderbolt. Thunderbolt dot from caldigit. Okay, so let me just get this right. It has 18 ports, if I'm getting this right. Well, so it's got. Okay, yeah, this is what Thunderbolt four allows for, folks. Okay, so you've got micro SD and SD, you've got audio combo out. You've got multiple USB C outs on my front, you've got USB a on the front. You've got four USB A's on the back, a displayport, audio in and out, and then you've got 2.5 gig ethernet and lots more Thunderbolt ports on my back. [00:34:53] Speaker B: Whoa. What's the price, though? I'm just asking just because that's the other. [00:34:57] Speaker A: Well, let's have a look, because I. [00:34:59] Speaker B: Do get their point. Without having to buy extra stuff. You are limited by a single USB C port. [00:35:06] Speaker A: Well, yes and no, though, because here we go. Availability is. It is $360 in the US, 325 pounds in the UK, and €325 in Europe and the EU. Price excludes VAT, though. But Jake, that's a very fair point, except when something like this. Okay, this I think was about 60 or 60 or 70 pounds. So that's zero. [00:35:36] Speaker B: Yeah, so, I mean, it's. But it's still. There's still a cost. You just got to keep in mind. I'm just putting the. [00:35:43] Speaker A: Yes, but you have to. The thing is, I don't know if I. The point they're making, I think is unfair. In the tablet class, do any of Samsung's devices have more than one USB C port? [00:35:56] Speaker B: That's a good, that's a good question. [00:35:58] Speaker A: I mean, okay, your, your sister's just got a new Lenovo tablet. You're going there tonight. Yeah. [00:36:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:36:05] Speaker A: I want, honestly, homework for a podcast. We'll put, we'll put this, we'll get, we'll put this into the show notes. Get a photo of that tablet. How many USB C ports does it have? [00:36:15] Speaker B: I will, and that's a good point. I'm just, just, we are living in like a lot of dongle world in a lot of ways, and I'm just trying to be mindful of that part, but yeah, and the other thing that Wired said was that the potential, they're saying what the potential of the hardware felt like it was locked behind future software updates or updates to apps because they're built for the. So wondering like a, why would you buy this now? Because it's not going to get you much of a performance upgrade compared to what you already had. [00:36:48] Speaker A: It depends what you've already got, though, doesn't it? So, you know, that's a very, very interesting point. Let's actually, I mean, first of all, let's, let's loop back to that because I want to talk about the display. Because the display. Now this is a, what they call it, a tandem OlEd. [00:37:05] Speaker C: That's right. [00:37:06] Speaker B: Yes. [00:37:06] Speaker A: Okay. Again, we've got one person who's experienced this. It's two. It's basically two OLED panels sandwiched on top of each other with clever stuff to make it break. Is it as good as we say, Alex? [00:37:18] Speaker C: The only thing I noticed, I put the air and the pro next to each other. The harshness of the white on the screen. Was it. It looked more harsh on the iPad pro, if that makes any sense. It looked more natural on the, on the iPad pro. [00:37:33] Speaker A: On the iPad a, you mean? [00:37:34] Speaker C: No, it's more natural on the pro. [00:37:36] Speaker A: Okay, interesting. [00:37:37] Speaker C: When you had. Only when you had them side by side. [00:37:39] Speaker A: Right. Okay. [00:37:40] Speaker C: You just tell that the colors weren't, they looked more normal. [00:37:43] Speaker B: Can I ask a clarification question? Did either of them have true tone turned on? [00:37:48] Speaker C: I don't know. [00:37:49] Speaker A: It's a very good question, actually. Yeah, but they both will support true tone. Yes, but it's whether or not they had it turned on. But that's a really good question. Yeah, I think the brightness levels. Was it a thousand? No, it's ridiculous amounts of brightness. We should have, we should have got these facts together. But can someone just check on my brightness levels on those two devices were nits. I don't mean the type that you get at school. [00:38:13] Speaker C: So they're pro. Both the pros can do 1600 nits, peak at hdr, and a thousand, a thousand at standard and xdr. [00:38:24] Speaker A: So now that's impressive. That is impressive for an iPad, because one of the things I struggle, struggle with my iPad if I. And I do this, folks, if I want to go out on a Sunday when I'm doing a podcast, edit and go to a pub and sit outside if it's a nice day, that's where I start to struggle. Because my iPad's bright, my iPad air four cannot keep up with that brightness. I typically go in inside. [00:38:46] Speaker C: Well, what's quite interesting, this one's got that matte finish like the big pro displays. [00:38:52] Speaker A: Oh, yes. Yeah. [00:38:54] Speaker C: You can spec it with a. You can spec it. Sorry. With a nano texture display, but weirdly, only on the terabyte and two terabyte versions. Don't know why. [00:39:01] Speaker A: I guess that's for thinking that's the price point, isn't it? But people want that. But again, now, what storage does that? Is that 256 gig that starts out. [00:39:09] Speaker C: Or is that 256 on those two? Yep. [00:39:11] Speaker A: Okay, again, now, the fact. I mean, does it blow anybody else's mind? But you can get two terabytes of storage in something that fade it. [00:39:21] Speaker C: Craziness. [00:39:22] Speaker B: And SSD, our slash flash storage. [00:39:26] Speaker A: Why is SSD? It'll be. Mmm. [00:39:29] Speaker B: But still, that is it pretty phenomenal. [00:39:33] Speaker A: It's just the size of a thing. And again, what? Eleven and 13 inch models. [00:39:37] Speaker C: Yep. [00:39:38] Speaker A: Now, again, six wi fi, six e. We'll come back to that in a little bit. But it's in, I think, Jay, you're. I think. I mean, look, I really like the design of this thing. Am I right, Alex? We've put the cameras in the same. We've put the camera in the right place again. Yes. [00:39:56] Speaker C: A landscape camera. Yeah. [00:39:57] Speaker A: That makes so much more sense. But both models have center stage now, which is great. I think the iPad Pro does have the lidar scanner, whereas the. It does not. Yeah. [00:40:08] Speaker C: They have removed one of the cameras there. Have you seen that? [00:40:10] Speaker A: I noticed that, yeah. Did remove a camera. But here's a question, honestly, I think it's got the 48 megapixel camera, hasn't it? From a backup, from the 14 as its main camera. I think it's got a twelve. [00:40:22] Speaker C: Oh, it's got a twelve megapixel camera. [00:40:25] Speaker A: Okay. [00:40:26] Speaker C: That's a true. But he's just the true depth camera. [00:40:28] Speaker A: Sorry. [00:40:28] Speaker C: Actually. [00:40:29] Speaker A: Oh, that's the front camera and the back camera. [00:40:30] Speaker C: Is twelve megapixels as well. [00:40:32] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah. So Jay, go on. [00:40:35] Speaker B: Two things to note because I didn't even think about this and I saw this in the reviews. The iPad Pro has face ID, the iPad airs have touch ID, and the pros have four speaker audio in all four corners and four studio quality microphones, whereas the air has landscape stereo speakers and two microphones. [00:40:58] Speaker A: Right. Okay. Now, to be fair, that's always been the distinguish if the iPad Pro has always been one to have face ID. Touch ID. Do you know what touch Id on my iPad air, at least on the fourth gen, it does look. It works well. Yeah. [00:41:12] Speaker C: Because I've got touch Id on my iPad mini as well. It works really well. [00:41:16] Speaker A: Of course. Yeah. Because iPad mini, that. It's like a mini version of it. [00:41:21] Speaker C: Yes. [00:41:21] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay. It does work because that's where your fingers gonna be to turn it on. It works. [00:41:27] Speaker C: Yep. [00:41:28] Speaker A: Face id works on my iPhones and it, you know, again, I. It works well on the pro, especially now in landscape mode. But it's, it's fine. It, to me that's. And it makes sense that you're gonna have those jumps again. If these are the studio quality microphones that are in the map book air, they are good. Microfilas. We recorded episode with Jay on the map booker. Oh, yeah. You were there for, you there for it. [00:41:55] Speaker C: I can't remember. [00:41:57] Speaker B: No, that was with Hugo of Master. [00:41:59] Speaker A: That was with Hugo for Master host. Okay. The audio quality was astounding from a map bokeh mike. I mean, I know because I think you've got Matt, but you've got, I've got m two. M two, which I think has the same mics, it is more than adequate. And if that's the same quality micro they put into the iPad air, this thing starts to become a really powerful tool for creators now. Okay, where do we want to go? Do we want to talk the apple pencil shuffle? That's not a new product, by the way. Do we want to talk Apple pencil or do we want to talk Pro apps? [00:42:34] Speaker B: Let's do the pencil first. [00:42:36] Speaker A: Okay. So we have a new apple, the Apple pencil Pro. All right. I'm throwing it out to you two. Alex, again, I'm assuming you've gotten to try this. [00:42:48] Speaker C: Yeah. Very briefly. Yeah. The little, I think the only thing I tried was you can squeeze it and it will. It will open up a little menu thing. That's the only feature I tried out because I couldn't remember what else did it did on the spot. But it's, uh, it's. Look, I think. I think we were gonna get a bit confused because it's four now, but. [00:43:08] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, that's my concern. That's my concern as well. The other thing he's got is this sort of tilt sensor where you can adjust the angle. Now. [00:43:16] Speaker C: Okay. [00:43:17] Speaker A: I'm not an artist. My apple pencil is used inside a ferrite to scrub. Audio would get rid of audio. Mostly Jay's audio, to be fair. [00:43:29] Speaker B: I gave him the bird for that. [00:43:31] Speaker A: You did? Yeah. Hey, this is a video. This is a video podcast. We no longer have to sacrifice. We. We need to decide if we're actually gonna publish this as a video, by the way. We will. [00:43:40] Speaker B: I think we still should. But also for the audio versions though. [00:43:45] Speaker A: Yeah, anyway. [00:43:46] Speaker B: Exactly. Jack said silence is a lady. I see how it is. Yep. [00:43:49] Speaker A: Yeah. No, no, to be fair. Don't to be fair. I have to cut much of my own audio out. And, um. Anyway, we'll shall see. Right. [00:43:57] Speaker B: That's one long camera for James, that is. [00:44:02] Speaker A: I'm liking having this live audience, by the way, how's everyone else? Check. Like, as quick aside, how's everyone feel? Like I don't feel under pressure doing this live to twitch. What do you think, Alice? Because this is the first time you've done this live. [00:44:16] Speaker C: It's fine. Yeah, it's good. [00:44:17] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:44:18] Speaker B: Because honestly, it. I like how we can just do the twitch side. Not to worry about having like. Because I've done so many complicated things. I did 189 episodes or so of podcasts live to twitch. [00:44:32] Speaker A: It's difficult. It's hard. Anyway, let's give it. But. So we've got the Apple pencil Pro, which is only compatible with the new airs and the new pros. [00:44:46] Speaker C: Well, it does work with the iPad air. Sorry. [00:44:50] Speaker A: You are right. [00:44:51] Speaker C: Sorry. Yep. [00:44:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:44:53] Speaker C: I forgot the iPad air and I did m two. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:44:56] Speaker A: That's it. Well, that's been the jump, hasn't it? It's m two s for airs. [00:45:00] Speaker C: M four. [00:45:01] Speaker A: So pros. So you've got that now. That only works on most devices. What's interesting is the existing Apple pencil, the second gen, I think that won't work on the pros now. It will work on the airs, I think. [00:45:14] Speaker C: No. So the iPads. So pencil, second gen, it doesn't work on any of the new stuff. [00:45:19] Speaker A: Right. [00:45:20] Speaker C: The USB C apple pencil, that weird one works on them, which is so odd. I think it might be to do with the wireless charging. [00:45:28] Speaker A: I think you are right. Yeah. They must have had to make adjustments to the wireless. Cause that USB c one can't wireless charge it, just USB c charges. [00:45:37] Speaker C: That's right. [00:45:38] Speaker A: Now in fairness, because it's USB C charging, at least that means you're not having to stick it in the end. You. Yeah, I don't think you can even do that. I think it's a, it slides out to reveal. [00:45:50] Speaker C: Yeah. It's a socket you plug in. [00:45:52] Speaker A: So. So it's not as bad as the original first gen where you literally risked snapping your answer Apple pencil because you had to put it in the bottom. Yeah. [00:46:02] Speaker B: And then, and then having to like to like not, not lose the dub. And then chocolate would like to play with that. With that, that. The cap and oh my gosh, I almost lost the cap one time. [00:46:14] Speaker A: For reference, for maybe our listeners who don't have the same history as our Twitch streamers do, chocolate was Jay's cat. One of Jay's many cats I should say. Yes, and a very missed pet. [00:46:28] Speaker B: So the USB C, Apple pencil and the first generation work with the first, 2nd, third and fourth generations of iPad pros. [00:46:38] Speaker A: Hmm. [00:46:40] Speaker B: I'm looking at the Apple spec sheets right now. [00:46:43] Speaker A: Okay, interesting. I'm actually, I'm curious about how the first generation works with the newer iPad. But before. I'm confused. I'm confused. [00:46:57] Speaker C: The vista is iPad Pro, eleven inch, 1st, 2nd, third and fourth. Whereas the first generation iPad Pro is actually the 9.7 inch. [00:47:05] Speaker A: It is. [00:47:05] Speaker C: Yep. That's not, that's not compatible with the USB C ones. [00:47:09] Speaker B: Okay. I am so confused on all. [00:47:11] Speaker A: Oh, is it not? Okay, so what's compatible with USB C iPads? [00:47:16] Speaker C: The third iPad air. [00:47:18] Speaker A: That makes sense. Yeah. When it moved to USB C. That makes sense. [00:47:23] Speaker B: So I think. [00:47:25] Speaker A: Wait wait wait wait. Did the third gen move to USB C? I'm now utterly confused. [00:47:30] Speaker B: Um, it's showing third on the. [00:47:33] Speaker C: Because they, they brought back the iPad air name during the COVID time. [00:47:38] Speaker A: Oh, that's right. [00:47:39] Speaker C: Yes, I remember that. But I don't know what it, I can't remember, you know, but the point. [00:47:45] Speaker A: Is that first, the first gen Apple pencil is lightning. Only now it will work with the iPad 10th generation but via a weird adapter that you have to get. Maybe that's why it can work with older stuff because you can use the adapter. [00:47:59] Speaker C: Well, it's got two asterisks next to the 10th gen. If I scroll down to the bottom, it does say here required to work with the 10th like USB C adapter. That's, that's the only model. It has that asterisk on hang on, what is the iPad air third gen then? [00:48:12] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm confused. [00:48:13] Speaker C: I've lost track. [00:48:14] Speaker B: Basically. You might want to. Oh, with Apple. Genius. [00:48:19] Speaker C: Oh, so the iPad air third gen looks like the iPad Pro 10.51 that I've got. [00:48:25] Speaker A: Oh, but with USB C. No, it's got lightning. Okay, so how can that. So how can that work with, uh. What? With a USB C pencil? [00:48:36] Speaker C: No, that works with a lot. The first gen pencil. [00:48:39] Speaker A: Right? Yeah, makes sense. Right. Okay, when. Okay, that's fine. [00:48:44] Speaker C: I've lost track. [00:48:45] Speaker A: Oh, when they remember that iPad. I remember that iPad air. [00:48:50] Speaker C: Oh, it was 2019 just before COVID basically. [00:48:52] Speaker B: I am glad Apple's moving to using the chip denominations and the actual. [00:49:02] Speaker C: This is the iPad that brought the iPad air name back then. [00:49:06] Speaker A: Yeah, that's right. Yes. Because it was the new iPad air at that point. Yes, you are right. So. But the USB C one. So the second general work with basically the fourth gen. The fifth gen, er, yep. And then the. I think about any of the eleven and 12.9 inch USB C. That's correct. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Right. [00:49:34] Speaker B: We will include a link in the show notes to the Apple page to show you. [00:49:37] Speaker A: But you choose a pencil page. Yeah, it's complex. But in theory though, what should start to happen is the first gen pencil should go away soon. You would not need to buy that unless you've got a 9th general older iPad. Really? [00:49:55] Speaker C: If I wanted to buy a pencil, that's the only one I could use in my one, of course is so. [00:49:59] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, that was true. But interestingly, not on your mini. I know you'd have to have a second general USB C. Yep. For your mini. And that's where it gets confusing. But here. So I think what's now gonna happen, man, is basically for the, for any the iPad airs and pros going forward, you, you've got. Okay, let's just clear this up. Right. IPad 10th gen, you get the USB C pencil. If you want it the airs, you can have the USB C or the pencil Pro. And the same with pros. You have the pencil pro or the USB C pencil. [00:50:35] Speaker B: I'm going off of us prices, this will change. It's 129 for the Apple Pencil Pro. So that is the price that pencil's been. No, the first generation was. Was $100, but since the second generation and beyond, it's been 129. And the UFC now is $79. [00:50:53] Speaker A: That's right. Which is actually fair. But the annoying thing about that is you can. The pencil second gen is still 129, so you kind of lose out there. A little bit if you're on an older device. [00:51:09] Speaker B: Yeah. And for those wondering, like, I know it has the slide out, you could still plug in a USB C to. USB C into your iPad. And then, I mean. Yeah, so you have to weigh in the fact for the extra money, do you want magnetic charging and do you want some of the extra features or can you get by with. Because the pencil has always charged pretty dang fast. I remember sometimes I brought it from zero to 100 and literally like five minutes. Just pour yourself a cup of coffee. [00:51:39] Speaker A: And it makes an interesting question. Right. For all of us. I don't think Eve, any, any of us are artists, right? [00:51:46] Speaker B: No, I tried. [00:51:49] Speaker A: No, I've tried as well. We have artists in my family. Honest question. I'll start with Alex, if you. Would you. If you were getting a new iPad today, ignore your current iPads for a moment. Which. And you were going to get a pencil, which. Which would you choose, honestly? [00:52:06] Speaker C: Well, probably the. The pro on possibly because. [00:52:09] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:52:09] Speaker C: Yeah. Because if I was going to buy a new iPad air, that's because I. [00:52:13] Speaker A: It does. [00:52:13] Speaker C: It'd be nice to have it to wirelessly charge. [00:52:15] Speaker A: Okay, fair point, actually. And also, I guess depending on the apps you were using, that squeeze feature could be very handy if it's because it is going to be through an API for developers to set up. That's a really good point. [00:52:27] Speaker C: Also, it's got the find my support. That's the only Apple pencil with that. Find my support. What that looks like, I don't know. I don't know if it has a u. One chip inside. Probably does, but. [00:52:36] Speaker A: Oh, what, for your ultra wide band where you can literally turn your phone? [00:52:39] Speaker C: Yeah, it probably does, doesn't it? [00:52:41] Speaker A: Yeah, I'd imagine so. Because it's actually, that's. I mean, I have to admit, having ultra wide band support and find my. For my. For my keys, for my airtags. [00:52:50] Speaker C: Well, I leave an air tag in my car so I know where I've left it. [00:52:54] Speaker B: I do as well. And that. That way I know if someone took my car. [00:52:58] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:52:59] Speaker A: Jay has more air tags than an entire Apple store. [00:53:02] Speaker B: Yeah. I'm the reason why they had to increase the airtag limit. [00:53:06] Speaker C: Oh, is it limit, is there. [00:53:07] Speaker B: There is a limit. They increased. I think it's like 32 now. [00:53:12] Speaker A: That's fine, but she's nearly there, to be fair. No, you're not that bad. [00:53:18] Speaker B: No, but I. I would have to say, and I mean, I'm being very, like, sincere. I'd have to weigh how much money I have at the time. Because $80 is a tempting offer. I know I lose the squeeze and the charging. The find my. But 129 is a big ask. It's $130. [00:53:40] Speaker A: That's true. That's true. For me. I think I would go pro two because I would like that ability. But what I'm going to say is, if I was just taking note, right. Just using something like goodnotes, which Goodnotes has gone subscription. [00:53:58] Speaker B: Also, if you want engraving, you have to go the pro. [00:54:03] Speaker A: Okay. Not doing what? I'm a pencil, you mean? [00:54:06] Speaker B: No, because of the little pull out. [00:54:08] Speaker A: Oh, right. You can't. Yeah. Okay. I've never had an apple pencil engraved. [00:54:13] Speaker B: Because I have. [00:54:14] Speaker A: Okay. The reason I haven't is because I ever want to sell that pencil. It makes it really hard to sell. [00:54:20] Speaker B: If it's engraved, the battery gonna be still any good? If you sell it, I mean. [00:54:28] Speaker A: Well, anyway. Anyway. But no, just note taking. Right? Even forget goodnotes for a second. If you're just using freeform or apple notes, do you need the functionality of the pencil pro? [00:54:41] Speaker C: If you're just doing that, you could probably just get the USB C one. [00:54:43] Speaker A: That's what I'm thinking. Because, honestly. [00:54:45] Speaker B: Yeah, because if you think about it, it's just like a stylus. I mean, I know it's a little bit more advanced than a stylus, but if you think about it, it is still a stylus. And the other features, like the haptic feedback and all that, turn it into more of a pencil feel, but again, you're just doing notes. I honestly think the regular pencil. [00:55:09] Speaker A: So then this brings me to, I think. I don't think there's much more to say about the pencils. We know the lineup. I've been asking a question all the way through about Wi Fi. You might think, why do you care? It's because I want to ask Alex a question. And it comes kind of off the back of an event that unify held that Alex hasn't actually watched yet. We have. But I think you know the gist of where we're going. And it's really interesting because they were talking about their Wi Fi seven products. Now, they do have Wi Fi seven products, but you will also see an all the hype around now. Is it the Ero pro Max seven j? That's been the one that's been doing revivals? [00:55:51] Speaker B: Yes, that's the one that, like Linus and all the different places. And that's why I've been seeing people saying, I threw away my ubiquity gear and I went with euro and all that. [00:56:04] Speaker A: You threw it away while Ero paid you. [00:56:06] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:56:07] Speaker A: Straight back up is what you probably did. So Alex, genuine question. Right, so we're talking the 10th gen and the iPad mini that are currently on offer have wifi six. So 802.11 ax is the standard for both six and six e. Now the iPads and pros have six e. So the question on what I see is that's not wifi seven. [00:56:30] Speaker C: No. [00:56:31] Speaker A: Does it matter? [00:56:32] Speaker C: So as I mentioned earlier, I'm not six e. Does it on paper mean that it should have 6 GHz, but Apple's a little bit opaque when it comes to their spec sheets, but it's not 100% a given. I'd imagine it probably is. No, probably not. I can't. Off top ahead, remember all the benefits that wifi seven has. But it is likely like Wi Fi six tailored towards dense environments. The amount of device it can support is going to increase. Probably not. The mean amount of bandwidth that one device can pull is fairly limited. [00:57:04] Speaker A: Well that's what I was going to ask you because unless. So there's two parts to this, right? Why a higher throughput? Wi Fi is only good if you have the incoming wan Internet connection for one to support it. Right. Cause if you don't have, I mean realistically, unless you've got a gigabit incoming connection, Wi Fi seven ain't gonna help you. [00:57:30] Speaker C: Well also the other thing to achieve those per client speeds such as like one gig, which I did some testing with their unified express the other day and got over it with just about, just under a gig to pair you have to have channel widths of 160 MHz. Now if you don't live in the middle of nowhere like I do, you live with lots of neighbors. Having 160 meg having 160 width is being, and for no reason is being quite a bad Wi Fi neighbor. You're taking a lot of spectrum. So if you don't need it then it's probably not like a naval thing to do in terms of spectrum reuse, so. [00:58:03] Speaker A: Right, because that means you're, you're hogging more of, if you're in a dense, like a block of lights like I am. [00:58:08] Speaker C: Yep. [00:58:09] Speaker A: You're using more of the available spectrum just for your Wi Fi. So really your channel widths in a environment. And I think we've talked about this on a previous episode, if I remember correctly. We've talked about all of this and. [00:58:21] Speaker C: Did a Wi Fi episode of me. [00:58:22] Speaker A: We did. We, we probably should do more wife episcose. I think Jay's itching to talk more. We need to do some crossover episodes, get you and Evan back on the show again. Yeah, but hey, for all your Wi Fi news, and you pick up particularly unifi news ui chat, check it out, folks. But that's the point. And also, let's not forget that these devices are not going to have the number of. I'm thinking, like the two by two. The mimo. [00:58:49] Speaker C: Yes. So, like devices in the past, I remember my old iMac had like a three x three Mimo capable Wi Fi chip. IPads, maybe. I personally pass. I've had it as well. But we're starting to see devices now going back to two x two, mainly probably for battery, battery life reasons, because you're opening up another one of those lanes for communications. But as Wi Fi itself is increased, like improved over time, that's less. Less of a requirement and you still get the speed, so. [00:59:18] Speaker A: And that's it. Right? I think Jay's doing. No, Jay, not that two by two. Okay, go on. [00:59:29] Speaker B: For context, I put in chat, Noah loaded the animals in the. Archy. Archy two by two. [00:59:36] Speaker A: I don't think. I don't think Noah's ark had ubiquity gear on it somehow. [00:59:39] Speaker B: You never know. [00:59:41] Speaker A: But the point I was trying to make about all this is just because other devices have. May have Wi Fi seven does not impugn. There you go. The connectivity quality of the iPad, because what are you going to be doing on an iPad that needs multi gigabit connectivity? [00:59:59] Speaker C: No. And also, like, I tend to view Apple's decision on when to adopt certain Wi Fi standards as a very restrained take. Just without running too much down a rabbit hole. Wi Fi standards themselves get ratified or signed off by the Wi Fi Liontown. From what I understood, Wifi Seven has only just been signed off or has yet to be signed off. [01:00:23] Speaker A: Right. [01:00:24] Speaker C: And I don't think Apple is going to adopt Wi Fi seven possibly until or maybe the iPhone 16, maybe even the Wi Fi, the iPhone 17, because they also make sure that nothing's going to go wrong. And you get companies like Netgear and era that just jump on the bandwagon and do all these paid videos without too much of a consideration. So, yeah, it's probably not really worth it. [01:00:48] Speaker A: That's why I asked. [01:00:50] Speaker C: Yeah, and like, yours, like your, like what you said, the people don't consider how fast their Internet connection is. And I guarantee most people can probably get by on a 40 on 5 GHz. That's why. That's why I run up. I'm so. [01:01:05] Speaker B: And the, these devices are made a year or two prior in the, in the pipeline. They've been making these chips for a while. [01:01:14] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:01:15] Speaker B: And if it's just ratified and if you absolutely need that connection there are Ethernet adapters. I've plugged my iPad into it for. I had a reason why for, for a meeting I was doing and I plugged it in that way. [01:01:29] Speaker A: Right, well that's the thing, you know that Ts four doc and iPad Pro can do 2.5 gigabit Ethernet. If you're wanting that throughput you're probably going to be at a desk doing something. Just plug it in. [01:01:43] Speaker C: I've got my imac plugged in the whole time. [01:01:45] Speaker B: So yeah I've got my Mac mini plugged in. [01:01:47] Speaker A: Oh yeah. So the only by only, you know, it's into a lovely little flex mini. I don't know who gave me that flex Mini. [01:01:56] Speaker B: Someone very kind. [01:01:59] Speaker A: Not me. [01:02:00] Speaker B: Not me. [01:02:01] Speaker A: So no, very, very kind of him to actually I think I got all three of mine from. You didn't? Yeah, from Alec. Yeah, I think I got all three mike. Yeah. Thank you, Alex. They are wonderful little switches. [01:02:12] Speaker B: Can I just geek out James's face when you open that up was just like. So I just so happy. And I suppose Alex, that made his day so much so. [01:02:23] Speaker C: That's awesome. [01:02:24] Speaker A: It's really good. We will do it. We go back and check our unify episodes and go and check out ui chat. But I try to do that little diversion now. I don't, I mean look, the iPad lineup at the moment. Let's, let's go back to the choose an iPad. Okay. Because I think this might be our rounding out thoughts right until the final cuts. [01:02:41] Speaker B: And I want to go over the final cut. [01:02:42] Speaker A: Oh, I do. Oh you're. [01:02:43] Speaker C: I think we missed something as well. You know the base iPad that's now got a landscape camera. [01:02:47] Speaker A: Oh yes it does. Well that, that it was the first to get the landscape camera. Oh, was it? [01:02:54] Speaker C: Have I missed that already? [01:02:55] Speaker A: Yeah, that, that was in the 10th gen so that is not a new device. [01:02:59] Speaker C: Okay. [01:03:00] Speaker B: But I'm glad that they've finally done this because so many times you're like trying to like do either Face ID or you're trying to do something like, or like video chats are so awkward. You're just like, I'm over here, how are you doing? [01:03:13] Speaker A: Hello. It is really interesting now that actually, can someone just quickly check on me at 10th gen iPad price because we are going to loop back to the pro apps actually. So thank you, Jay, the 10th gen. [01:03:27] Speaker B: Ipad price is now 349, right? [01:03:32] Speaker C: Yeah. It's 349 the UK, because the prices are exactly the same, which actually disadvantages me and Jim James, so. [01:03:39] Speaker A: Well, no, no, it doesn't, is it? [01:03:42] Speaker C: Not anymore. [01:03:43] Speaker A: Not as much as you'd think. Because remember. Oh, yes. Remember, they, our us cousins do not have to sales tax included on anything. [01:03:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:03:54] Speaker A: So if you. So if you take our price, take off 20, say, well, their sales tax is different. Well, it gets very messy. [01:04:05] Speaker C: 349 in american money is 443. [01:04:10] Speaker B: So take off on an IP. [01:04:15] Speaker A: Don't use my credit card. [01:04:19] Speaker C: Oh, it's like five, six pounds more, right? Six, yeah. [01:04:22] Speaker A: It's not much really easy. [01:04:24] Speaker C: No, it's not, is it? No. [01:04:25] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:04:26] Speaker C: Huh. [01:04:27] Speaker A: Yeah. As Jack says in our chat, they advertise, is afterwards so impractical to compare? Yes, so impractical. [01:04:32] Speaker C: Why? [01:04:33] Speaker A: Yeah, it's. [01:04:34] Speaker C: I keep forgetting that. [01:04:35] Speaker A: Yeah, it is. It's an interesting one. Put at 349. Okay, 350. Let's call it 350. Okay. I hate the 49. I know why they do it. I know why companies do a pound less or less. [01:04:48] Speaker B: I dear, you're gonna be getting a $375 charge on your undercard. The tax on that was 20, 618. So. [01:04:57] Speaker A: Okay. Right. So yeah, we still pay. Maybe. We probably pay a little bit more. Anyway, a point I'm trying to, I'm. [01:05:04] Speaker B: Looking forward to iPad. No kidding. [01:05:08] Speaker A: The point I am trying to make is $349 or pounds 350. Okay. For, again, I think Matt 10th gen is such a good tablet, such a good device. Now. Yes, you can, you can get cheaper tablets and we know that because we helped, you know, we help Jay's sister buy or help people to buy her for her birthday a Android tablet. And that's because she's in the Android ecosystem and did not want to go iPad. And I get that. But for me, iPad is the best tablet experience. I would say. [01:05:45] Speaker B: Honestly, again, weigh the, the tension versus the iPad air. I would definitely say I would go iPad air and eleven inch because I'm sorry, I don't. Well, one my purses, I can't fit a thing, anything bigger than eleven inch in my purse. But also I don't need the pro stuff. I honestly, I don't need that. I just need stuff to like do a little bit of content creation, but mainly consume stuff. [01:06:14] Speaker A: Well, that's it. And I think the iPad air is, if you are not the iPad, I think is. The iPad is a great device. The iPad 10th gen is a great device for, you know, I actually nearly got someone I help you take onto one. They decided to go a little because it was a bit more at the time. They went for the 9th gen. Wish we'd waited a little bit, to be honest. But I think if you just want the tablet computer and you don't do much more than web browsing, chatting and consuming content, 10th gen is perfect. [01:06:51] Speaker B: Absolutely. [01:06:51] Speaker A: If you want to create or do some more serious stuff, the. I think the iPad air is brilliant. I think, Alex, you were. Am I right? Alex, you probably in the market for a 13 inch iPad air right now. [01:07:02] Speaker C: That's. That's what I did. Because the equivalent version would be like over a thousand. [01:07:06] Speaker A: Right. [01:07:07] Speaker C: Other pro. So, yeah. [01:07:08] Speaker B: And did you realize all of our devices now, all of them can fit into an envelope like the MacBook Air could? And the fIr. I still remember the old commercial, the I'm a new soul. I'm gonna stop right there with that song I always. And that was it could fit into a mailing envelope. And now they all can. [01:07:28] Speaker A: Well, that's it. Right? And, you know, remember that Matt Bokeh was not a success. No, no, it wasn't until we got the next gen b. Eleven inch, 13 inch. But the map bokeh became a powerhouse. And the sales revolution is. But the iPad air, great device. Again, you get a lot more features, you get a lot more connectivity, you know, USB C, whatever, 3.2. I think it is more than, faster than for most, you know, I mean, you know, pen drives. I've got a little caddy there from connected to my Mac mini, which is a Nvme SSD to USB three point something. That's perfect for me. You know, I can still do external displays. You know, I can connect it to a vocaster if I want to, and I can do anything I need to with it. But I think the pro is. If you are probably what I would say is, and this is where I want you to, if you are a creative professional who relies on core accuracy, who wants really, really fast workflows, because you saw a lot of cad workflows being boosted by the new processor, you see, I mean, games performance on these new things looks incredible. [01:08:44] Speaker B: And factor in one of the things, especially on the pro, that amazing access to a high definition display. You literally could do a lot of things that you would do on a laptop, on an iPad. [01:08:57] Speaker A: Well, this is what I want to, because a lot of the commentary around these iPads has been, they're still not a Mac, they're still not running macOS. And I want to. I get where people are coming from. Right. But I'm sorry, I don't want macOS on a tablet. Yeah, no, it's not. Yes, I'd like more power features out the iPad. And look at this point, we have not yet seen iOS 18. We have had a preview of what's going to be coming into iOS 18. Obviously, Apple have teased a lot of AI features. Now that's going to be really powerful because you think about what that means. These chips have, these systems on the chip have incredibly powerful neural engines, neural processors that should enable on device AI. And someone on Mastodon said, in a way, I'm paraphrasing me effectively, in a way. I hate the fact that Apple cares so much about privacy, but it means that AI is not as advanced as others. But actually, I don't know about the rest of you too. I'd much rather have AI privacy. [01:10:05] Speaker B: Okay. I mean, can I just bring up a quick tangent like, I switched from a ring doorbell to a Homekit doorbell. My new doorbell is Homekit. It is local machine learning on faces. It recognizes faces. Really? Well, it tells me, hey, your sister's here. Hey, it's you. But that's not being fed into a global cloud of recognition. And I would much prefer that then I would much prefer a local recognition in local AI than a global system. [01:10:42] Speaker A: Well, just to loop back to our. To our fan fan person ish. Fan person fan fan fanny. I don't know. Our fandom of unify. Alex. All of unify's AI stuff is on camera, isn't it? That's all on camera? [01:10:57] Speaker C: Yes. If it's detecting vehicles, people, animals and things, the camera does all the work. And it will. It'll pass that back to the NVR itself. [01:11:06] Speaker B: So James Jacobs got caught up by our mod Jack. [01:11:11] Speaker A: I know, I just. Paddy. Hey, that's not what I meant. That's not what I meant at all. [01:11:18] Speaker B: Don't make me wash your mouth. That was soap when I come out there in August. [01:11:21] Speaker A: Okay, you know what I meant, folks. I. Yeah. Anyway, the point is on device processing is much better for privacy. It's really interesting, but the point is, we have not yet seen iOS 18. We know that it's going to be AI features because Apple has started to announce that. And honestly, some of the accessibility stuff now, Jay, I think, am I. Jay, can I. Am I allowed to talk about this? The accessibility stuff that they previewed, one of them was getting Siri to understand non typical speech patterns, which now, can. [01:11:52] Speaker B: I say, for me, is good, because I have noticed compared to Madame A, madam a is Amazon's device lady. [01:11:59] Speaker A: YouTube. [01:11:59] Speaker B: Yeah. Siri has actually done better at knowing when I stutter or when I change a phrase. But you want even further. I'm just putting myself out there. But one of our family members I'm excited for too. Go on. Go on, dear. [01:12:14] Speaker A: Well, no, I say exactly. I mean, look, your brother in law and because I actually shed the link to your sister. [01:12:21] Speaker B: Seriously. [01:12:25] Speaker A: Wow. Thanks for moving about. Recording and I. So good, right. Jay's. One of Jay's brother in laws, who we love so much, had a stroke, has obviously as a result got impaired speech with, um. [01:12:39] Speaker B: I'll say what they are. Aphasia and apraxia. [01:12:41] Speaker A: Right. Still as sharp as a penny. Literally. There's no impairment in terms of men capacity, but obviously they struggle with their speech. I sent the link to Jay's sister to say, hey, I'm really excited about this for you, for your husband. All this looks so cool. I could see the excitement in her reply. [01:13:01] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [01:13:02] Speaker A: And I think where I believe iPad, or in fact all of Apple's OS's accessibility is not just an afterthought, it is baked into the core. It's one of the reasons I'd moved to Mac right back. Genuinely, back in the day, Windows was useless accessibility. You have to have extra software just to zoom in the screen. Whereas on my Mac I could just do control and scroll wheel and I think that. Yeah, or command you. There were keyboard shortcuts to zoom in. It had OS level screen zooming, which is incredible. Voiceover, everything. I mean, natural light, so much stuff. But let's wait for dub dub DC. Now we are. I think we're gonna probably do another live watch party. I'll be up at my parents, but probably the week or so after, we'll record another episode like this where we do a deep dive. Let's talk though, about pro apps. Quick. Let's make our final thing, pro apps. Now, I know all, all three of us have final cut. Alex, you're probably more of a heavy final cut user than I am at the moment because I'm not doing as many videos as I should be. That's. And Alex's videos are amazing. [01:14:13] Speaker B: So yeah, please follow the interface on YouTube as well. [01:14:19] Speaker A: We. [01:14:19] Speaker B: And I. I'm actually a convert from Adobe Premiere. I used to be huge into premiere. I'm a convert back to final cut for a variety of reasons. [01:14:29] Speaker A: Now you're doing all of this on my Mac. Final cut. My Mac is really powerful. And in fact, they actually made it a little bit more powerful. We're bringing in this. I forgot what they called the magic color thing. The thing is on in final cut 10.8. Yes, it's the. Yeah, but what do you think to final cut on the iPad? [01:14:52] Speaker B: I love this. Can I shay, can I share one of the things? I did it years ago in video production that would have made things so much easier. [01:15:01] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:15:02] Speaker B: I used to do wedding photography. Wedding video. Not anymore, but I did it once and I did a multi camera shoot. Oh my gosh. It would have been so nice. So they have come out with not only final cut, but final cut camera. Final cut camera. [01:15:19] Speaker A: Is it out yet? [01:15:21] Speaker B: I should actually check. [01:15:23] Speaker C: It says coming soon. Coming this spring. Yeah. [01:15:26] Speaker A: Okay. [01:15:27] Speaker B: So final cut camera is a free app which will let you record video and, and like do all the different like, settings that you need to sherlocking filmic. And for good reasons, because filmic itself, the company has gone way downhill. But anyway, like a free camera, you could. But if you connect it with final cut on Mac or iPad. Am I right? Because if is it? [01:15:51] Speaker A: I think it's just iPads. [01:15:53] Speaker B: So if you have final cut running on an iPad, which requires a m series chip. So unfortunately, our iPads do not have that. [01:16:00] Speaker A: No. [01:16:00] Speaker B: But if you have fun running on an iPad, you can, in live time, receive video or, and, or watch the video. So it also brings in, because Adobe had this really cool app a long time ago, is Adobe. But it would let you watch video that was hooked up to a, to a computer. I used this when I used to do my own like video in my basement. I had a Mac, I had a computer hooked up to my fire. Firewire camera. [01:16:32] Speaker A: Oh, wow. [01:16:33] Speaker B: This will let you watch the video, do color grading, check all that stuff, and even manually press record, manually color grade the final cut camera things from one iPad. So you can have a director doing stuff and then that director can, can like, can even like go between different shots that are all connected to it. Over. And I'm like, that is really dang cool. [01:16:56] Speaker A: I mean, bear in mind, that's over wireless connectivity for a start. It's called live multicam. [01:17:01] Speaker B: Yes. [01:17:02] Speaker A: Looks incredible. But not just that, the abilities that remember, I think one of the things they were showing was the ability to lift subjects out of video, subjects out of the background in final cut on the iPad. [01:17:17] Speaker B: Without having to have a solid color background. [01:17:21] Speaker A: Yes. Without. Without keying. Yeah, without any short keying. Now I've used. [01:17:26] Speaker B: They were doing a live stream. I believe I could be wrong, but I thought they were doing live stream. [01:17:30] Speaker A: Oh, no, it wasn't live stream. No, no, it was. But I've used lumafusion on me and I own lumafusion on my iPad and that is great for editing, honestly. It's great for quick edits. But the power final cut on the iPad. On the iPad m two, any iPad there actually puts m series of pros gonna be powerful. This live multicam feature we are seeing, I mean, all of Apple stuff, apart from like, drone shots, obviously. I've all shot with. With iPhone. [01:17:58] Speaker C: Yep. [01:18:00] Speaker A: You know, I. I'm recording this episode with my iPhone 15 pro, I think. Alex, what are you on? You're just one. [01:18:08] Speaker C: Just on the iMac. I'm a different desk based usual. [01:18:11] Speaker A: Oh, no, I mean, the camera still looks good. [01:18:13] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [01:18:14] Speaker A: But the 15 Pro. Oh, yeah. Okay. Very nice. They are wet, but yeah. [01:18:21] Speaker C: I wish the continental camera did 4k rather than 1080p, but it stores. It still is very good. [01:18:27] Speaker A: That will change with final cut anyway. Go on. [01:18:31] Speaker B: Can I also just say I love how Apple's divorcing themselves from the computer because I did a phone call today with my homepod. [01:18:41] Speaker A: Well, it's really interesting. I mean, I don't. People have always been scared that the mic's gonna die off because of the iPad. I don't think that's ever gonna be. [01:18:50] Speaker B: The case because sidecar. I mean, there's so many ways you can do things. I think. I think the iPad is an extension in some cases. It has replaced a Mac in some cases because, like. Yes, my. My grandmother, she was my first. The first person in our family to have an iPad. And literally. [01:19:07] Speaker A: Wow. [01:19:07] Speaker B: It was perfect for. Because she didn't. She wouldn't want to be hunched behind a computer. She was literally answering all of her. [01:19:13] Speaker A: Emails in my parents, my parents have. And my parents have my old iPad pro nine, the original 9.7 inch. That is the only computer in my house, well beyond all the junk ones that are probably still in the lock. But it's really interesting. Yeah, the Mac's going nowhere because there's, excuse me, still a lot of software. But final cut wasn't the only app that got a bit of an update. Logic Pro. [01:19:40] Speaker B: Yes. [01:19:41] Speaker A: Got a big update now. A lot of cool little things. But one of the things that really impressed me is this idea of stems. We can take an existing file, an audio file, and split it into its component parts. It can take music and split it down into the drums, into vocals. [01:20:01] Speaker B: I actually have. Have. I've messed with this for pocket editing and all that years ago using isotope, and that was. And that took a lot of work on a. On a. On a PC, Mac at the time. The fact that they can do this on an iPad is pretty dang cool. [01:20:19] Speaker A: Well, that's it. But power again, musicians. We were talking to our friend Sonata, who we're going to have on my show, to talk about the music of games. Right? [01:20:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:20:29] Speaker A: Because it's a really interesting topic. But he does work his stuff. I think that excited him. And the ability to have all these session drummers and session bass and guitars. Look, I mean, I played with Garageband on my iPad. I haven't used logic because it was chip, for a start, but the ability to make music anywhere, and the fact that you'll be able to kill audio interfaces. You know, I could right now, if I took, you know, my vocaster out, I could sit on the iPad and just record with it with any USB c mic. Actually, in fact, I've done. I've just realized something. The biggest challenge we always had with our previous recording platform. [01:21:12] Speaker C: I was just about to mention this. [01:21:14] Speaker A: Go for. Yeah, go on. You mentioned. Yeah. [01:21:15] Speaker C: There's an app for. There's actually an app for macOS coming soon with this software, which is, um. What's the name of the Riverside. [01:21:22] Speaker A: We're using it. You. [01:21:24] Speaker C: Oh, you guys using it? [01:21:25] Speaker A: We use in the beta. [01:21:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:21:26] Speaker C: Oh, nice. [01:21:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:21:27] Speaker C: And there's actual native apps, because I filmed a couple of podcasts with people on their phones, and I hadn't realized that they were on their phones. I was doing it afterwards, and somebody video got messed up, said to rely on the backup. So that's really cool that Riverside has got a case apps for its software so you can use. [01:21:51] Speaker A: That's going to be. Well, that's exactly what I'm thinking. The iPad, particularly, the power of these pros, I think, just makes them a content creation. And if you are someone who needs a bigger screen, you know, imagine video production on that 13 inch iPad Pro. Yeah. It's out of probably our price ranges for most of us, but for content creation for directors, for musicians, it's such a great option. I am excited. Take one. [01:22:20] Speaker B: J and Logic Pro. I have recorded and edited podcasts on it. It's not my preferred editor, but I have done it. And that's all. [01:22:29] Speaker A: That's old logic proj. This is what logic on the iPad is. So different. [01:22:34] Speaker B: True. Yeah. Cut this. [01:22:37] Speaker A: No, no. You know, I'm not gonna cut it because it's a valid point. What. What we. I think. And this is me, actually, that, Jay, that makes a really good point. Okay. When we're looking at what the iPad pros can do or any M series iPad. Okay, what. When you look at an air or a Pro and you look at the pro apps or creative apps, I think you have to disengage the connection between what you've seen before on a Mac, for example. I've used lot, and I know Jay has. I've used lots of podcasts, audio editing apps across multiple platforms. Ferrite for me. And we've got a great interview with Canis on the making a ferrite. It feels natural. It feels so much natural to work with a fetal work with an audio pad. Right. That's how I see ferrite. And then be able to take my affinity projects onto my iPad with a optimized infrastructure optimized tool set. So, Jay, what's your. Yeah, what's your question? [01:23:44] Speaker B: Can the. Does final cut work on the errors or just the pros? Oh, no. [01:23:51] Speaker A: Okay. Any, anything with an M series chip. [01:23:54] Speaker B: Yeah, because you can install. So. So. So you don't even need the pro iPad. [01:24:00] Speaker A: No. [01:24:00] Speaker B: To do these features. I mean, obviously you'll be have some performance based bottlenecks depending on what you're doing. [01:24:06] Speaker A: Yeah, anything. Anything with an M series chip will run it. I mean, you could. My. Yeah, so my. My map of care far outperforms the video rendering performance of my be old beast of an intel imac, which had 64 gig of RAm. It had a relatively powerful chip. Anything M series is going to blow that stuff away. I mean, Alex, you. You moved from an intel machine to M series for video production at some point, I believe. [01:24:33] Speaker C: Yeah, I bought, actually bought an m one imac before I even started doing YouTube stuff. [01:24:39] Speaker A: Oh. [01:24:41] Speaker C: Sort of a happy coincidence. [01:24:43] Speaker A: So you've never experienced the pain of editing on an intel? No. No. What about you, Jay? Have you done more? Have you done. Because you've. You have actually moved across platforms so much. You've moved you a premiere on Wintel, you've had an intel mat, multiple intel Macs, and now you're on M series for your Mac mini. Have you found the M series that ArM based, basically? Is it better for editing video? [01:25:16] Speaker B: Absolutely. Because, I mean, the old adage was, you had to be on a MacBook Pro to get any decent editing. And now I'm on a pretty bare bones Mac mini, which I never would have expected to do video. Good at video editing. I had a MacBook Pro before I moved to this. And if I ever. And honestly, I think the M series takes away so much of the heavy lifting on stuff that you can get away with the, with a non pro device and really ask yourself, do you need to spend the money on a pro series moniker on anything? [01:25:49] Speaker A: No. Well, and I think that brings up my final point. Right, if these devices. Right, if you're currently on a previous gen M series iPad, you've got to ask yourself, do you actually need to upgrade? I know we want to upgrade. It's kind of this recurring theme, isn't it? But we talk about sustainable, don't throw away stuff. I think honestly though, if you're coming from a non McVeighs iPad and you like Alex for example, and you want to start doing creative stuff, I think these new machines are a perfect option, especially those airs. Yeah. Alex, any to wrap up any final thoughts on what Apple have brought to the. Well, table? [01:26:29] Speaker C: I think it's a good, a good update that they've made the cheap iPad cheaper. They made. They launched the iPod Pro. There's a good update. The only downside of the event was the iPad mini didn't get any love. It's a bit of a shame. [01:26:41] Speaker A: So when's the last time we got updated? [01:26:44] Speaker C: Well, the current one is six. Like the new design, I think that was 2021. [01:26:48] Speaker A: And is that an M series? It's not. [01:26:50] Speaker C: Is it a 14? [01:26:51] Speaker A: A 14. I mean look, the iPad mini's always been a bit because it is weirdly priced. The iPad mini used to be the cheapest iPad. [01:27:01] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, pretty much, yeah, well it. [01:27:04] Speaker A: Was, I mean, yeah, but it's not anymore. It's like. It is. I think it's actually. It sits between the 10th gen and the air and I don't understand that. [01:27:15] Speaker C: But no, it was a, at one point it was just the small iPad air, which made sense, but. Yeah, but for what I use it for, it's perfectly fine. But yeah. [01:27:24] Speaker A: Oh no, I'm sure it's a great device. That's not. Yeah, I'm not impugning. What I mean is when, back when the original iPad mini came out, it was about the 240 pound mark. [01:27:35] Speaker C: Yeah, I bought that one. The original one. [01:27:37] Speaker A: Mmm. And that was. I had, but I had both because sometimes you just wanted. My iPad mini was effectively my Kindle replacement. [01:27:46] Speaker C: Yep. [01:27:47] Speaker A: For a lot of purposes. Yeah, that's, that's my take. Jay, what about all about you? I mean what's your. Obviously if for now, what, what's your take on, on where we stand with a product lineup? [01:28:00] Speaker B: I think that it's still a little confusing, in my opinion, with the tension iPad. I still. I just find that a little confusing with the iPad because to me, I always think air always had been the best or the lightest iPad. The iPad was the one that had more features than the pro. So I think if they. I think the air is a misnomer in many way. I know it's light, but I'm still of the old adage where I used to think it was. Yeah. And I. And now iPad is the. Not the iPad itself. And I say that the. The iPad, to me, I think that they should probably drop the air moniker and say iPad and iPad Pro because. [01:28:54] Speaker A: I'm gonna argue against that because there is a reason. Let me give you the reason. Education. The education market will not want to spend my money on the iPad air. The. The iPad is the perfect device for school use. It is, again, a perfect. Just a tablet device. [01:29:14] Speaker B: Well, what I'm, what I'm thinking is, is the iPad air next generation becomes iPad and they make the. And then they bring this current error to be that the iPad right now, the ten generation was. Is the cheapest because it's the oldest one. I think going forward, you just have a cheap iPad. Like an I can. I can m four iPad and you have the m five iPad. I mean, you. I think if you drop the air going forward and just have iPad, iPad Pro, I can have iPhone and iPhone and iPhone Pro. I think if we. [01:29:51] Speaker A: But you don't have MacBook and MacBook Pro. You have MacBook Air and MacBook Pro. [01:29:57] Speaker B: But you don't have met. You know. But you don't have MacBook. Unless I'm mistaken, you don't have. [01:30:02] Speaker A: Not any. [01:30:04] Speaker B: So. [01:30:05] Speaker A: Well, and that was. That was a really interesting thing, wasn't it? But when. When the MacBook existed, it was actually more expensive than the map book airs. [01:30:18] Speaker B: Yes. And that. And I think that's why I. I think we need to get to a place where we can drop these. The. The lineup is still confusing if you're trying to decide what's what, where to go. That's as at least my opinion. I mean, I. It's getting better, but I still think it's a. It's a little confusing. [01:30:37] Speaker A: Okay. All right, Alex, I'd love your take on that because it's an interesting point. [01:30:43] Speaker C: I've always thought it's a bit confusing that the name of the novel culture behind it. [01:30:46] Speaker A: Mmm. [01:30:47] Speaker C: It's just. No, I. Yeah. What do you. What would you call the iPad 10th gen for education? I don't yeah, I don't think. I don't think they can make an iPad air at the same price as that iPad. Unfortunately, top of those specs, they need a middle one. [01:31:06] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:31:07] Speaker C: I don't know. It's so confusing. It would be nice to have the grid of four that Steve Jobs had, the consumer and the probe of everything. But we unfortunately just. We haven't got that. You've got to have the gold locks. You've got to have the middle, best and best. Sorry, middle, better and best. So. [01:31:24] Speaker A: Yeah, because we don't have that greed of four even in the Mac space anymore. We do what we have. Because we've got. On the notebooks. We do. We have air and pro. [01:31:35] Speaker C: Right. [01:31:36] Speaker A: On the desktop as well. We don't. We have four. Yeah, yeah. [01:31:43] Speaker C: Tier consumer and two pro. [01:31:45] Speaker A: Well, no, no, no. Because you've actually got free on my desktops. On the desktop, yes, sorry. I think it does. Yes. Desktops. You got the mini and the iMac, and then you've got the studio and the pro, which is still a bit of an odd. Yeah, but. Okay. I mean, yeah, but it's because I'm still. [01:32:09] Speaker C: I'm still. [01:32:09] Speaker B: I am still confused. Like, to me, iPad air would be the. I know it's the thinner one, but it seemed like it would be the cheaper one in the Mac and the iPad would be the more expensive one. And that's where I'm. In my head. It's still confusing. [01:32:24] Speaker A: But that, I mean, that hasn't been the case in the iPad lineup for a very long time. [01:32:29] Speaker B: I know. I'm just trying to think of a new consumer coming into the store, in the store being like, no, I want iPad. You want iPad air, iPad or iPad Pro? I want iPad. [01:32:39] Speaker A: And I'm trying to think, well, that's where, that's where. About three, four, nine. If you've got someone coming in who is, again, going back to my point of content consumption and browsing an email, that's your iPad customer. Okay. Your air is you. I'm a bit of a creative and I might want to do some content or more work on it. And my pro is. Yep, give me all the power. And I don't personally. Okay, I'm going to open this up, folks. If you're, you know, obviously listening, post recording [email protected] comma come and join me, discord. Crosswise.net forward slash discord. Come and tell us what you. I want to hear from people. But for me, I can't. For me, that lineup kind of makes sense. But I do get where you're coming from, Jay. You almost, it's almost confusing. Yeah. [01:33:27] Speaker B: What if you were to do iPad, iPad plus? [01:33:32] Speaker A: And I bet, bro, the problem with the plus is the plus is always, always bigger in the bigger screen. So I'm actually amazed. What we don't have is iPad air. IPad air plus. IPad pro. IPad pro plus. But they haven't done that. And in fact they don't do that on the max either. If you think about it, they've always delimited it by screen size. [01:33:54] Speaker B: That is very true. [01:33:57] Speaker A: So. And in fact even now. Hang on. Yeah. Cuz on the vi. Oh yeah. Cuz it's for a Mac size. Is it is when I find iPhone 15 Max is just the iPhone 15. It's good. [01:34:11] Speaker C: IPhone 15 plus. [01:34:12] Speaker A: Yeah. Which is really interesting because it's not called plus. I'm a pro. Yeah, it's pro Max. Apple's naming J I'm not, I'm not all disagreeing, but the naming convention is weird, but I don't think you'd want to. Oh, iPad light, iPad, iPad max. No, you can't call it that. You can't call it the iPad Max because that sounds like that is gonna cause someone to go into the wrong store and ask for iPad Max and come up with something completely different. [01:34:43] Speaker B: Is that why someone put it, told me to put it. Never mind. I like that. I like that. [01:34:49] Speaker A: The iPad light, I put that is iPad, iPad, iPad. Yeah. That could work though. [01:34:57] Speaker B: The only thing with the only issue with the iPad light any. I'm not pedantic. The only thing is it make the iPad light. Sounds like you're missing features from the iPad because. [01:35:07] Speaker A: You bet. Yeah. Wait a minute, what about iPad se? [01:35:12] Speaker C: Yeah, that's better. That's much better actually. Yeah. IPad se. IPad, iPad pro. [01:35:17] Speaker B: I like that because just like the watch se. Because you know when you buy the watch se, it's a special edition. Yeah. [01:35:25] Speaker C: And then the iPad mini could just be a smaller version of the iPad. [01:35:29] Speaker A: What? I'm bringing it back down in price again. [01:35:31] Speaker C: Well, yeah, but it would just be a, just be a smaller screen size version of the art of the middle. [01:35:35] Speaker A: Oh. Of a regular iPad. Of a middle child. Right. [01:35:39] Speaker B: Yeah. Because I know that, I know kindle is amazing and I've seen a lot of Kindle used to have one. But an iPad mini with did. I believe iPad mini had true tone. With a true tone display? It is. That, that eye strain is not the same as it was on old iPads. [01:36:01] Speaker C: Yep. Well, I've got. I've got mine with a 5g sim card in it. So whatever. I'm out and about. I don't even use my phone that much. This is the iPad, so that makes. [01:36:09] Speaker A: A lot of sense. Yeah, but 5g. Yeah, I read that makes a lot of sense. All right, there we go. Apple. [01:36:15] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:36:16] Speaker A: That ship. That ship credit to James J. And Alex. [01:36:19] Speaker C: And I've had send checks to crosswise. [01:36:22] Speaker A: Yes, absolutely. Well, you know. Yeah, we'll divvy up with Alex. Well, I mean, effectively, you are honoring crosswise Point Alex, I think. [01:36:31] Speaker C: Yeah, I'll go with that. [01:36:32] Speaker A: Yeah. There you go. I mean, heck, Crosswire, cross charging status started out as a co production between our two little empires, the media empires. We're not media empires. I mean, you know, out one day. One day. Anyway, one day gadget. [01:36:49] Speaker B: We'll get them one day gadget. [01:36:53] Speaker A: So. Right. On that note, let's rapple, because I'm very much aware of time. Alex, thank you so much as always, for being here. Where can people find more of the. I mean, we've plugged. Alex doesn't pay us, by the way, to have him on the show and plug his content. We genuinely like Alex's content. [01:37:10] Speaker C: Thank you. [01:37:11] Speaker A: Where can people find your stuff? [01:37:12] Speaker C: So technology news, automotive news, theinterface dot UK comma. It's a brand new website and if you've seen the old one, but trying something new with webflow now and then, we've got three podcasts. We've got charging status, ui, chat, and spotlight. So different podcasts for different people. And then last thing is, I've got automotive videos over on YouTube as well. So the interface cars, go and check those out. Thank you. [01:37:35] Speaker A: And of course, if you want, Alex also works for hostify, who do some really cool unify videos as well. So there we go. Are made by you as well, aren't they? There you go. There we go. Jay, I was going to say, where can we find you? But everybody knows where to find J. You're sorry. I sounded really, really stalk of it. I'm sorry. Sweet. Okay. [01:37:58] Speaker B: You know, to find me, I'm over here now. I'm over here. [01:38:03] Speaker A: Oh, sorry. I've just. Do you know where my mind, just to. My mind just went to Liam Neeson in Ted two. [01:38:12] Speaker B: I was thinking that Jason's for kids. Am I gonna get. Am I gonna get in trouble for buying this? No, no, you're not going to anybody? No, we don't have the budget. [01:38:27] Speaker A: And speaking of not having a budget. [01:38:28] Speaker B: For, I'm gonna remember you. I prefer you if you do it. [01:38:34] Speaker A: And on that note, Jay, thank you very much for being here. Of course, do check out crosswise.net for more information. Thank you so much to Riverside for possibly, I'd say so far, one of our best recording experiences and the live stream. Thank you, twitch chat, for your entertaining comments. We'll announce more about how we're going to be doing and maybe when, because I don't think every episode is going to be live streamed. It will very much, very much depend. [01:39:02] Speaker B: On guests, guests and timing. Because, I mean, I know sometimes it's nice, some episodes, it's nicer than to do those not live. So we will figure that part out. But I, I definitely am glad we're doing live again. [01:39:13] Speaker A: Absolutely right. Let's roll that outro. Where's me mouse? Gone? Lost me mouse. [01:39:20] Speaker B: You don't need a mouse. You get an iPad. [01:39:27] Speaker A: Thanks for listening to this episode of Crosswires. We hope you've enjoyed our discussion and we'd love to hear your thoughts. So please drop us a note over to podcastrosswires.net. why not come and join our discord community? [email protected]. forward slash discord. We've got lots of text channels, we've even got voice channels, and we've got forum posts for every episode that we put out there. If you are mastodon, you can also follow us even by heading over to wires solo. Or just follow Crossedires social. [01:39:56] Speaker B: If you'd like to check out more of our content, head on over to Crossedwires.net YouTube for all our videos and keep an eye on our Twitch [email protected]. live for our upcoming streams. [01:40:08] Speaker A: If you like what we heard, please do drop a review in your podcast directory of choice. It really does help spread the word about the show. [01:40:15] Speaker B: And of course, if you can spare even the small amount of financial support, we'd be incredibly grateful. 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